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Analyst 2
It seems like what you're saying is they're going to win market share by promoting and discounting, which is the only way that I've heard through my experts that you can win market share, which means that the incremental margin on market share gain internationally will be structurally worse than the core US business here. That's why I don't like the international business, honestly.
The other piece of it is, you see them make the Wolt and Deliveroo acquisitions. You sit here and think, why would you go into international markets if you're structurally worse in your core markets with probably lower margins? It probably signals, at some point, a slowdown in core markets here. I know we haven't seen that yet, but we can debate what the incremental growth runway looks like in the core US markets. But the commentary I've heard about international market expansion just makes me wary about how much of a contributor it's actually going to be on a 2- or 3-year horizon.
Analyst 3
I’d add a couple of things and maybe push back a bit. In terms of the international growth playbook, you're right. Some of it comes from promos and discounting, but a lot of it actually comes back to product advantages. When you look at it, and we've looked at this a lot more in the US than internationally, but DoorDash's app compared to Uber Eats, for example, it's the best in any way that you slice it.
Customer satisfaction with DoorDash is higher. Their fees are actually lower because they have better density. They're so focused. The calls that we did, the checks we did on Tony Xu, he'll get to the lowest level of detail. They're so hyper-focused on getting delivery speeds as fast as possible and keeping driver downtime as low as possible. All of that stuff does compound to a better product.
So they're taking that playbook from DoorDash in the US. They brought that to the Wolt team. We spoke to a few people, formers at Wolt, and they said attention to detail got higher. The bar got much higher after the acquisition.
Analyst 2
All the anecdotes that I heard from inside, Tony and data dashboards, and being metrics-driven and setting very clear targets and hitting them, all that stuff is really good, I thought.
Analyst 3
But then all of that contributes to the market share, and that stuff does matter. You might know this from your calls, but in delivery, if somebody has a bad experience, they're done. You order something that says it's going to show up in 30 minutes, but it takes 75 minutes. You're late to whatever you have, or the restaurant cancels on you, or the driver brings the wrong stuff. The consumer bar here is much higher than for other products. If you're off, the consumer will penalize you big time.
So, DoorDash's 99% order accuracy rate versus a peer being at 97-98%, that kind of stuff compounds. Then one other point that I’d add, just in terms of the growth strategy internationally, a key piece here that I don't think you mentioned, it’s related to promotions and discounting, but it’s a different piece. It's a merchant acquisition. So, going and getting the best or trendiest restaurants, you could do that by getting them with lower commissions. If Uber Eats is at that restaurant, DoorDash can go to them, or rather, in the UK, for example, Deliveroo. Just give them a lower rate to get them on the platform. To my colleague's point, 90% or more of the work we've done there has been just looking at Sensor Tower data.
Analyst 2
That's fair. I think you can even see that to some degree here in the US. They're launching their restaurant reservation platform and getting the trendiest restaurants on there first. There are definitely some strategic points around that, which I think could be pretty viable.
I'm curious. You had mentioned earlier the runway for growth on the US side. One thing that I really grappled with was MAU growth here. Where do incremental users come from? Because I did the whole market mapping and seeing everything, it seems pretty well penetrated. Besides just growing wallet share and order numbers with their existing cohorts, the cohort data was very encouraging. As cohorts age, they order more and become more active on the platform. I'd buy all of that. How do you acquire incremental new users here?
Analyst 3
Yeah, I did a bunch of work on this. So we have MAUs growing fairly significantly. Definitely slowing in the US, but we're modeling 3 to 4 million MAUs in the US in the coming year, closer to 3 on average.
It comes from three buckets. One of the biggest is actually just demographics. I know, usually, if a company says that every year, 4 million people in the US turn 18, and that's going to grow their market, I actually buy it in this case because the people passing away in this country, on average, are going to be in their 70s or 80s, and they're probably not really using food delivery much. As people age into the workforce and gain discretionary income, they've grown up in an on-demand world.
So, depending on how you want to define it, whether it's people graduating high school and getting their own app or graduating college and starting to earn a salary, there are 4 million people a year aging into the potential user base. That cohort, based on the data we've seen, is more likely to use DoorDash than Uber Eats. So that alone can add, and we're modeling 1.5 million net adds per year on the MAU side just from people sort of aging in.
A little bit comes from continued share gains. Some of it comes from gains in competitor share. Then the final piece is how DoorDash defines MAUs, which is in terms of monthly. A lot of people are ordering 3 or 4 times a year. Over the coming years, that ticks up from 3 times a year to 4 times a year, or 4 times a year to 5 times a year, across tens of millions of people. That actually starts to show up in the MAU number. So those are the three buckets we looked at.
Analyst 2
What's the MAU number that you have in 2027 or 2028?
Analyst 1
I think it's 2030.
Analyst 3
Do you mean for the US specifically or globally?
Analyst 2
For the US.
Analyst 3
Probably. Average MAUs in the US for 2027 are roughly 43 million.
Analyst 2
Okay. Is that in the ballpark of where you are? Yeah, I think that's reasonable. What’s the growth rate on that, by the way, the CAGR?
Analyst 3
9%. Oh, I mean, 2027, 9%, and CAGR from 2025 to 2030, 8%.
Analyst 2
Okay. I think that's rational. I mean, I think there's also an aspect of this, which is, I agree, people aging into the user base, and then also the younger generation just being more on-demand delivery focused, and then people also just interacting with the platform more and using it more. I like to call it the long American laziness trade, which is very real and true.
Analyst 3
Yeah, absolutely.
Analyst 2
Maybe we pivot a little bit to grocery. How are you guys thinking about grocery in the context of Amazon, Walmart, and Instacart to some degree?
Analyst 1
I think for the competition landscape, we do actually consider all the situations there. The same is true here. The grocery market, especially the on-demand delivery market, is very big. During our forecasting period, we didn't forecast a very significant competitive impact.
So, how to drive the growth rate to profitability? First, the basket size is a major driver there. As users potentially move from ad hoc fill-in orders to large weekly orders, DoorDash's average basket size on the new vertical part is about $48 today estimated, which grew at a 15% CAGR in the last 5 years, and we're actually projecting an 8% CAGR going forward to 2030, arriving at a $71 basket size, which compares to Instacart that sits at a $110 basket size today. So we think that number isn’t very aggressive there.
Other things driving the grocery side are order volume and take rate expansion. Order volume is converting existing users of food delivery to grocery, which is a top-tracked KPI by management, and they have a track record of delivering on that, the low-hanging fruit of converting DashPass subscribers, and some opportunity for improving awareness.
The take rate expansion is very interesting. We talked with someone who's currently a senior director at Instacart, in charge of the exact partnership stuff. He's managing all the contract assignments with new merchants. So he actually told us the playbook. You do a 2-year term with a low commission deal. After that, the merchant sees it as incremental revenue, so you can renegotiate and lift the take rate from there. So, Instacart's take rate was 7.1% back in 2020, and now it's just 10%, a sharp increase. So we expect DoorDash's grocery side to walk a similar journey there. We estimate a roughly 6.5% take rate for the new vertical as a whole, which rises to 9.5% in 2030. It takes about 5 years. So that's how we think about it.
Analyst 3
Just to add, my colleague didn't mention, but ads are a big part of the story in terms of the take rate expansion, CPGs. We actually spoke with a couple of CPGs that are already spending a lot on DoorDash ads.
Then the second piece, you asked about competition. It's a big question. We mostly take the view that this is a big enough TAM for all these players to gain share. I mean, we spoke with somebody who's pretty senior at Amazon Fresh, and they don't worry about DoorDash. They don't really care. They're all doing their own thing. You see Uber Eats ads for groceries everywhere. We don't view that as a terrible thing for DoorDash. If people are getting in the habit of spending more on their phones for groceries, probably that's a benefit for DoorDash over the next 3 to 5 years, whether or not they're spending on DoorDash today. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the competitive landscape in grocery and how you think about that.
Analyst 2
Yeah, so my thoughts were, at least today, DoorDash has pigeonholed itself into the top-up order category of grocery. I think Instacart, given its order values and average basket size, is clearly in the stock-up order. DoorDash is more of a smaller player. You throw out 1 or 2 items, you need them quickly, and you get them. So it's really important for them to move into the stock-up piece of the market. How are they going to do that? I'm not entirely sure. That was a question mark for me.
Then the other portion was, obviously, their time-to-delivery can be much faster, but now you see Amazon launching same-day delivery in so many different geographies and cities, and similarly with Walmart. I hear you, and I agree that the TAM is big enough. It's probably big enough for all these players to succeed.
But the fact is, I don't like competing with Amazon. Clearly, they can afford to burn more capital for longer. If this turns into a take-rate compression price war, I don't think it's going to end well for Dash.
Similarly, on the ads take rate side, getting CPG clients onboarded to Dash is the number one way for them to increase their ads take rate. That’s also, to some degree, dependent on them being able to ramp up their grocery. So they have both of those things very linked. In the context of Amazon's more recent push into this space and its rollout of same-day delivery across the US, it just gave me a bit of pause.
I'm not exactly sure how to build enough confidence in this to be like, “Okay, they're going to be fine.” They'll be able to move into the stock-up category and drive up the basket sizes. I think there was just a question mark for me, and through the calls and research I did, I just couldn't build a confident view on it.